# Foundry or Foundation, what is more complete and future proof? **URL:** \ **Category:** RapidWeaver Classic\ **Created:** [February 27, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801 "2021-02-27T06:52:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/21 "2021-02-28T04:43:54Z")
Thank you so much Doug for this reply! This has for sure helped me with getting to a decision. šŸ™ ---
**Author:** ![Ruyton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ruyton](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Ruyton)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/22 "2021-02-28T09:01:08Z")
This will be the main Foundation guide, Joeā€™s still working on it but itā€™s a good starter for a bit more information. > **[Demo | My Website](https://www.foundationstacks.com/demo/)** ---
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/23 "2021-02-28T10:09:42Z")
Thanks Gary, that is a helpful link! ---
**Author:** ![dripple](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dripple/32/20481_2.png) [@dripple](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dripple)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/24 "2021-03-01T17:27:24Z")
Very solid response, @teefers Sums it up pretty much. (I went for Foundry because I use Bootstrap for my day job very often) ---
**Author:** ![fg8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6a8cbe/32.png) [@fg8](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fg8)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/25 "2021-03-01T18:24:13Z")
A great response by @teefers. I have used Foundation and Foundry before I decided to stick with Foundry. As previously mentioned, Foundation has a steep learning curve and Foundry does not. Adam at Foundry is also great at responding to support requests and the videos and documentation are first class. You also asked about a member site and I would have to say that, for me, it is Sitelok. Again support and documentation from Adrian at Sitelok is first class. I would also suggest that you look into the Sitelok Stack, after getting up to speed on Sitelok (Weaverā€™s Space) is a good investment as it will save you a lot of time. In short, Foundry plus Sitelok is a powerful combination for me. I based my selection on ease of use, reference documentation/videos and support. ---
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/26 "2021-03-02T09:22:43Z")
Thanks Frank for your advise! ---
**Author:** ![Bazza](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/bazza/32/2104_2.png) [@Bazza](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Bazza)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/27 "2021-03-02T13:10:57Z")
Source by Shaking the Habitual is worth a look. Itā€™s free to start out with and it can grow with your ability. ---
**Author:** ![SteveMouzon](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/stevemouzon/32/21201_2.png) [@SteveMouzon](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/SteveMouzon)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/28 "2021-03-03T14:50:00Z")
I began with Foundry but went to Foundation for a very strange reason: I was never able to get my web fonts working with Foundry, but discovered that Foundation explicitly plays well with [typography.com](http://typography.com), which is what I use. But since then, there have been quite a number of things about Foundation that seem to operate how I think they should operate, while Foundry was a steeper learning curve for me. So Iā€™m happy for that weird little reason that helped me make the change. ---
**Author:** ![dripple](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dripple/32/20481_2.png) [@dripple](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dripple)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/29 "2021-03-04T11:40:07Z")
> [@fg8](#): > > Foundry plus Sitelok is a powerful combination for me. +1 I recently started looking into Sitelok (again) and I think I might do further sites with memberships (or any other restricted content) with RW and Sitelok and move away from Wordpress for the most of the usecases. ---
**Author:** ![gnosismedia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@gnosismedia](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/gnosismedia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/30 "2021-03-04T19:17:15Z")
Foundry for sure. ---
**Author:** ![RapidBase](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/rapidbase/32/24626_2.png) [@RapidBase](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/RapidBase)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/31 "2021-03-04T20:49:00Z")
I did choose Foundation 6 (coming from Foundation 1) and never looked back. Learning curve, but (nearly) no limitsā€¦! ---
**Author:** ![Yon](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/yon/32/21482_2.png) [@Yon](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Yon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/32 "2021-03-05T22:26:55Z")
Iā€™m also having ā€˜which camp to joinā€™ dilemma, so this discussion is great. Iā€™ve been reading about all of these systems for months now, while making several sites with just various stacks and raw code, no themes involved (though I did try several). I fear Iā€™ve fallen into the ā€˜solving of problemsā€™ leading to looking for ā€˜stacks as solutionsā€™ trap, instead of seeing stacks as time savers. Looking for a more unified system to build upon makes the most sense. There is some really insightful info shared here. It still sounds like you canā€™t know your best fit, until you have tried several of these systems. I do like manuals. Videos are helpful to see how to interface with the stack, and to hear how people think about using things. Videos are awful as a reference. You canā€™t search for a specific setting, you have view a whole video to see if it answers your questions (if itā€™s even in your language). Iā€™m very happy to see a manual is evolving for Foundation. Great developers, and these forum participants are fantastic at clearing up questions. ---
**Author:** ![dripple](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dripple/32/20481_2.png) [@dripple](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dripple)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/33 "2021-03-06T12:19:12Z")
> [@Yon](#): > > I do like manuals. Thatā€™s what I like with Foundry, (almost) every Stack has his online documention linked in the Stack info. If I need to know something, I just click on ā€œShow online helpā€. ---
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/34 "2021-03-08T11:53:26Z")
Thank you all for your comments and advice! I decided to go for Foundation 6, following the videoā€™s now, in the meantime also started looking into Source and built a first website that looks ok. > **[TalkGerman unique approach](https://talkgerman.biz)** > > We offer practical achievable language skills results with our unique approach My next thing to do is start building this website with Foundation as well. ---
**Author:** ![davidfreels](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/davidfreels/32/5807_2.png) [@davidfreels](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/davidfreels)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/35 "2021-03-08T14:39:30Z")
> [@teefers](#): > > Foundation has no written documentation, itā€™s been promised now for over a year, but if you donā€™t like videos and have better things to do with your time, then ā€œhang outsā€ and long winded weekly live streams youā€™ll probably find it more difficult to get up to speed with. Amen to that. The F6 learning curve is very steep. ---
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/36 "2021-03-08T15:16:17Z")
At least we got something to do during the lockdown now! šŸ˜† I am not afraid of the steep learning curve, I see it as a challenge that I take, take one step at the time, try to understand as much as possible. In the meantime the website that I have are still running fine, I just want to be able to develop my own designs and ideas and not limited to what a theme can offer. ---
**Author:** ![Konfuzzious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Konfuzzious](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Konfuzzious)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/37 "2021-03-09T09:20:20Z")
> [@davidfreels](#): > > The F6 learning curve is very steep. A little more steep, not ā€˜very steepā€™ imho. The pay-off is huge, thereā€™s very little that canā€™t be done with F6ā€¦ also imo. ---
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/39 "2021-04-03T14:03:33Z")
Thank you all, in the meantime I have been studying Joeā€™s videos and have been able to create my first website with Foundation 6 stacks šŸ˜„ šŸ† Thanks @joeworkman! Let me know what you think, for sure I will change things here and there in the future as more functionality will be required over time. the link: [www.talkgerman.biz](https://www.talkgerman.biz) ---
**Author:** ![fmonnee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@fmonnee](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/fmonnee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/40 "2021-04-28T10:44:40Z")
The exercising goes on, just finished my next site [https://monnee.in](https://monnee.in) Actually a great way to miss out on Netflix etc, this has been keeping me busy up to the point of figuring out why things donā€™t work until they do šŸ˜„ One point on the recent regular updates, @joeworkman why is it when I update foundation stack 6 and foundation 6 swatches only the swatches shows actively being updated, the stack 6 is just hanging there in the update window, I have to restart to get update window disappear. ---
**Author:** ![Ruyton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ruyton](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Ruyton)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801/41 "2021-04-28T10:49:00Z")
I see the same with F6 updates, the update never shows as complete so I leave the update window open for a few minutes then restart RW. [Previous page](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/foundry-or-foundation-what-is-more-complete-and-future-proof/37801.md?page=3)