# RapidWeaver 8.4.1 crashing on save **URL:** \ **Category:** RapidWeaver Classic\ **Created:** [November 22, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851 "2019-11-22T13:49:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![seattlegrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@seattlegrrl](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/seattlegrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/1 "2019-11-22T13:49:51Z")
Hi all, I am having an issue that I’m hopeful that someone can help me with. I’ve reached out to RapidWeaver Support, and after 2.5 weeks it has not been resolved. Any time that I go to save a project, RapidWeaver crashes. I can click Save As, rename it, and pressing OK…it crashes. I disable plug ins. Crashes. Remove themes. Crashes. I am dead in the water. Can someone please assist me? Mac 10.15.1, RapidWeaver 8.4.1 Disabled plugins by pressing Option/Alt Key - same issue Created new project with no custom themes and no stacks - same issue ---
**Author:** ![jacksona](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/jacksona/32/16622_2.png) [@jacksona](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/jacksona)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/2 "2019-11-22T17:34:20Z")
Might be worth downgrading to 8.3 via the Version History page - I know it’s a different situation, but I had a problem with previews hanging, which this fixed (8.4 didn’t make a difference). Might help, might not! Worth a try though, as the 8.4.1 and 8.3 versions can coexist… Adam. ---
**Author:** ![seattlegrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@seattlegrrl](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/seattlegrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/3 "2019-11-22T17:48:39Z")
Thanks @jacksona Tried that - same issue. ---
**Author:** ![curiouschuck](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/curiouschuck/32/14064_2.png) [@curiouschuck](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/curiouschuck)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/4 "2019-11-22T19:11:57Z")
> [@seattlegrrl](#): > > Created new project with no custom themes and no stacks - same issue When did the problem start? Was it following upgrading RW or Catalina? I will guess Catalina. It would be a chore to use Time Machine to return everything back… I kept my old Mojave OS on an external HD for just this situation, so I could use programs while debugging Catalina if problems occured. I would suggest re-installing Mojave and RW on a bootable external until support/you resolve this. Again, if possible. ---
**Author:** ![seattlegrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@seattlegrrl](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/seattlegrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/5 "2019-11-22T19:19:36Z")
@curiouschuck It started before I upgraded to Catalina, so I’m lucky that I know that isn’t the issue. Thank you for the suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![teefers](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/teefers/32/8173_2.png) [@teefers](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/teefers)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/6 "2019-11-22T19:33:44Z")
> [@seattlegrrl](#): > > Any time that I go to save a project, RapidWeaver crashes. Does it happen with a single project or every project? Have you tried a new project with just a single page? ---
**Author:** ![seattlegrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@seattlegrrl](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/seattlegrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/7 "2019-11-22T20:01:12Z")
@teefers - every project. new projects, single pages, existing. every file that is opened crashes. I did revert to RW7 and having no issues on Catalina. ---
**Author:** ![teefers](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/teefers/32/8173_2.png) [@teefers](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/teefers)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/8 "2019-11-22T20:09:50Z")
Wow, I was going to suggest you reinstall RW8 but since you tried an 8.3 version, I don’t think that would help. Someone from RealMac (@dan, @tpbradley, @Aaron, @LaPan) will need to have a look at the crash report. ---
**Author:** ![insideoutskiing](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/insideoutskiing/32/5215_2.png) [@insideoutskiing](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/insideoutskiing)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/10 "2019-11-25T14:44:31Z")
I have just developed the same problem. Had been using 8.4.1 with catalina successfully. Any updates ? I have tried to open a backup project that was working fine and same issue. Dead in the water as working older backup now not working ---
**Author:** ![curiouschuck](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/curiouschuck/32/14064_2.png) [@curiouschuck](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/curiouschuck)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/11 "2019-11-26T02:39:50Z")
What is your setup? Are you using any ancillary apps like DropBox? Or iCloud? I have a fairly large drive, and everything happens ‘locally’. Keeping it simple. Also, I’ll just leave this here 😉 > **[Six Reasons Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy - TidBITS](https://tidbits.com/2019/10/21/six-reasons-why-ios-13-and-catalina-are-so-buggy/)** > > By most accounts, the release of iOS 13 and macOS 10.15 Catalina have been troubled, with numerous significant bugs making it past Apple’s internal testing and the public beta phase. Former Apple engineer David Shayer explains the underlying reasons... ---
**Author:** ![insideoutskiing](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/insideoutskiing/32/5215_2.png) [@insideoutskiing](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/insideoutskiing)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/12 "2019-11-26T09:36:37Z")
Hi Chuck, I keep everything local on my desktop and only put zipped backups onto cloud storage so it isn’t that. (had that problem 8 years ago with RW and learned my lesson then). Have sent the crash report and problem description to RW support but no reply… Will give em 24 hours and chase. ---
**Author:** ![insideoutskiing](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/insideoutskiing/32/5215_2.png) [@insideoutskiing](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/insideoutskiing)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/13 "2019-11-27T14:03:27Z")
have emailed my issue to [support@realmacsoftware.com](mailto:support@realmacsoftware.com) two days ago and no reply or acknowledgement Can anyone make any sense of the crash report? Process: RapidWeaver 8 [4104] Path: /Applications/RapidWeaver 8 (restored).app/Contents/MacOS/RapidWeaver 8 Identifier: com.realmacsoftware.rapidweaver8 Version: 8.4.1 (20817) Code Type: X86-64 (Native) Parent Process: ??? [1] Responsible: RapidWeaver 8 [4104] User ID: 501 Date/Time: 2019-11-25 15:20:22.100 +0000 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.15.1 (19B88) Report Version: 12 Anonymous UUID: 63EB0B92-62F9-C9F0-E6E6-6ED6F65F0576 Time Awake Since Boot: 7600 seconds System Integrity Protection: enabled Crashed Thread: 10 Dispatch queue: com.apple.root.default-qos Exception Type: EXC\_BAD\_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000 Exception Note: EXC\_CORPSE\_NOTIFY Termination Signal: Illegal instruction: 4 Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x4 Terminating Process: exc handler [4104] Application Specific Information: Performing @selector(saveDocument:) from sender NSMenuItem 0x600003d2de30 ---
**Author:** ![insideoutskiing](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/insideoutskiing/32/5215_2.png) [@insideoutskiing](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/insideoutskiing)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/14 "2019-12-02T18:05:38Z")
I have been battling stopping RW 8.4.1 from crashing on save under OS 10.15.1 and have made some progress. I removed ALL stack add ons and still crashes on save. The source of the crashes seem to be plug ins, specifically Formloom 4 and Collage2. I upgraded Formloom from 4.0.11 to .12 and this seems to have stopped formloom based crashes but with Collage2 2.5.0 latest version crashes regularly. I will be removing all pages that use Collage 2. I was somewhat puzzled that when I click Check for Updates within the Stacks library it showed all stacks up to date, however the PLUG IN Formloom was an older version. Is there an obvious way to check latest version for plug ins? ---
**Author:** ![teefers](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/teefers/32/8173_2.png) [@teefers](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/teefers)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/15 "2019-12-02T18:53:57Z")
Replied to your identical post: > [@Stability of RW8 with Catalina](http://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/stability-of-rw8-with-catalina/29299/10): > > I have been battling stopping RW 8.4.1 from crashing on save under OS 10.15.1 and have made some progress. I removed ALL stack add ons and still crashes on save. The source of the crashes seem to be plug ins, specifically Formloom 4 and Collage2. I upgraded Formloom from 4.0.11 to .12 and this seems to have stopped formloom based crashes but with Collage2 2.5.0 latest version crashes regularly. I will be removing all pages that use Collage 2. I was somewhat puzzled that when I click Check for … ---
**Author:** ![Grant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a5b964/32.png) [@Grant](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Grant)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/16 "2019-12-10T01:22:06Z")
I have the same problem except just with ONE project. Other ones are fine. I didn’t change anything in the file except editing a few words of text on one stacks page. VERY annoying and a huge problem since there is no way to edit the site any more. Publishing also causes an instant crash. Save As… = instant crash. ---
**Author:** ![telepati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@telepati](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/telepati)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/17 "2019-12-10T15:01:37Z")
Multiple fast undo also crashing the app. I am changing colors or some padding then making Undo multiple times and app immediately crashing. ---
**Author:** ![teefers](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/teefers/32/8173_2.png) [@teefers](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/teefers)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/18 "2019-12-10T17:24:03Z")
Are you using stacks 4? There are a couple open tickets withs stacks 4 and undo. Don’t know if it’s the same problem. ---
**Author:** ![telepati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@telepati](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/telepati)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/19 "2019-12-10T17:42:50Z")
Stacks 4 installed but I am using generally Foundry. I must test it after uninstall the Stacks 4 than. I’ll let you know it is related or not. ---
**Author:** ![DLH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@DLH](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/DLH)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/20 "2019-12-10T20:04:48Z")
Stacks is needed to use Foundry. He just wanted to know which version you were using. As he mentioned, they do know about the issue. ---
**Author:** ![telepati](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9a140/32.png) [@telepati](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/telepati)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851/21 "2019-12-13T00:13:12Z")
You are totally right. Thanks to warning. I am using v4.0.3. [Next page](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-8-4-1-crashing-on-save/29851.md?page=2)