# RapidWeaver Elements Pricing Update **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [May 2, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367 "2025-05-02T11:33:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tpbradley](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/tpbradley/32/25503_2.png) [@tpbradley](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/tpbradley)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/21 "2025-05-02T16:07:20Z")
Hi @DaveMac, were you after a Pro license? If so I have some great news for you, the price **hasn’t changed** and you can purchase a copy here [Elements Website Builder for Mac](https://elementsapp.io/#buy-elements). [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) was in public beta but entered early access earlier this year. You can read about that here [Dev Diary Ep65 - Elements is now in Early Access](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/dev-diary-ep65-elements-is-now-in-early-access/46324) Hope that helps ✌ ---
**Author:** ![handshaper](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/handshaper/32/27373_2.png) [@handshaper](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/handshaper)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/22 "2025-05-02T18:12:22Z")
Wow, based on my experience with [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/), it is WAY faster to build a website with [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) than the Classic/Stacks combo. But more importantly is is WAY more user friendly and intuitive. It pains me to have to go back and use Classic/Stacks. I have just been forced to create a brand new site from scratch with [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) and it was incredible how fast it came together, and it ended up looking good to boot. I’m now in the process of porting a site from Classic to [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) and it has taken an amazingly short amount of time. The last thing I would call Classic/Stacks compared to [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/), is user friendly! ---
**Author:** ![KipV](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/kipv/32/33413_2.png) [@KipV](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/KipV)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/23 "2025-05-02T18:19:22Z")
RealMac is practically the opposite of Adobe in so many ways. If you just look at webdesign Adobe screwed up in this area so many times. Particularly when they bought out and proceeded to run the biggest webdesign company, Macromedia, into the ground. How does a company take the most advanced webdesign tech and manage to destroy all of it? ---
**Author:** ![therealmf](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/therealmf/32/179_2.png) [@therealmf](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/therealmf)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/24 "2025-05-02T18:32:39Z")
I wasn’t talking about the performance of the respective apps. I was talking about the marketing policies and how both companies seem to have lost a clear view of their customers. Do yourself a favor and search for Adobe on YouTube. You will find hundreds of videos of disappointed customers. Oh, and while we are at: the new stacks app will not be on a subscription basis. Isaiah doesn’t like subscriptions. Me neither. ![frieauff.com Kommunikation gestalten](https://frieauff.com/media/frieauffcom-signaturbild.jpg) Markus Frieauff Hinter Sundheim 12 55283 Nierstein Tel. 06133 / 938 29 28 > **[frieauff.com - Kommunikation gestalten](https://frieauff.com/)** > > Kommunikation in web und print für Selbständige, kleine Unternehmen, soziale und gemeinnützige Organisationen. Webseiten, Flyer, Visitenkarten, Broschüren. ✆ 06133/7019678 [info@frieauff.com](mailto:info@frieauff.com) mobil 0163 / 888 94 86 Meine Datenschutzrichtlinie finden Sie auf [frieauff.com/datenschutzrichtlinie](https://frieauff.com/datenschutzrichtlinie) ---
**Author:** ![KipV](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/kipv/32/33413_2.png) [@KipV](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/KipV)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/25 "2025-05-02T18:39:51Z")
I’m familiar with Adobe. I’ve shelled out thousand of dollars for their software packages and found that some titles being far buggier then the current version of [elements](https://elementsapp.io/) 0.7. The difference is that Realmac are upfront and honest that the program is a beta where Adobe tried to sell it as if it was a finished product. With Fireworks Adobe even held back bugfixes so that they could include those in a paid update and not offer them in a timely patch. I don’t see any comparison between these companies. ---
**Author:** ![DaveMac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/fbc32d/32.png) [@DaveMac](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/DaveMac)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/26 "2025-05-02T18:59:45Z")
Aware that people have long been able to buy a private beta and now continue to buy early access of a pre v1 dot version. Was comparatively speaking of actual v1 release and public trial. You know try before you buy. Was declared recently the [blog features will be additional cost](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/dev-diary-ep75-blogging-preview/47193/22) for online editing, no doubt then additional features down the road will also meet this same fate. Prices are already increasing for a product you have long since had the overall vision and roadmap for when you decided upon the original prices. Unless those original prices and the original app were set to be sparse without these obvious feature progressions as you reach towards v1. So would it still have been called the best mac app? The logic does not equate. Spin it and explain it however you like. Or just state directly that **we need to be naive**. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![therealmf](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/therealmf/32/179_2.png) [@therealmf](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/therealmf)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/28 "2025-05-02T19:14:30Z")
You’re missing the point. I wasn’t talking about the quality of the product. I was referring to the marketing policies. ![frieauff.com Kommunikation gestalten](https://frieauff.com/media/frieauffcom-signaturbild.jpg) Markus Frieauff Hinter Sundheim 12 55283 Nierstein Tel. 06133 / 938 29 28 > **[frieauff.com - Kommunikation gestalten](https://frieauff.com/)** > > Kommunikation in web und print für Selbständige, kleine Unternehmen, soziale und gemeinnützige Organisationen. Webseiten, Flyer, Visitenkarten, Broschüren. ✆ 06133/7019678 [info@frieauff.com](mailto:info@frieauff.com) mobil 0163 / 888 94 86 Meine Datenschutzrichtlinie finden Sie auf [frieauff.com/datenschutzrichtlinie](https://frieauff.com/datenschutzrichtlinie) ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/29 "2025-05-02T19:17:31Z")
> [@DaveMac](#): > > Aware that people have long been able to buy a private beta and now continue to buy early access of a pre v1 dot version. Was comparatively speaking of actual v1 release and public trial. You know try before you buy. > > Was declared recently the [blog features will be additional cost](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/dev-diary-ep75-blogging-preview/47193/22) for online editing, no doubt then additional features down the road will also meet this same fate. Prices are already increasing for a product you have long since had the overall vision and roadmap for when you decided upon the original prices. > > Unless those original prices and the original app were set to be sparse without these obvious feature progressions as you reach towards v1. So would it still have been called the best mac app? The logic does not equate. > > Spin it and explain it however you like. Or just state directly that **we need to be naive**. 😂 I understand where your frustration is coming from. The early access pricing was always meant to reflect the fact that [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) was (and still is) in active development. As we’ve added more features and moved closer to 1.0, the price has gradually aligned with the scope of what [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) offers today. We didn’t plan to add so much, but based on the requests from users, we’ve just continued building and adding features. It already does so much more than we had initially planned. We’re not asking anyone to be naive. Just open to the reality that building and supporting pro-level Mac software takes resources. We’re trying to do it transparently, and in a way that respects both new users and long-time supporters. Always happy to listen (even when it’s tough). Thanks again for sharing, and have a great weekend! ---
**Author:** ![Flash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f475e1/32.png) [@Flash](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Flash)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/30 "2025-05-02T22:46:30Z")
I think the biggest complaint is that no single feature is solid and complete. There are a lot of unfinished edges and incomplete “works-in-progress,” ie: blog, pre-made components, templates, etc. When it’s done, stable, and super bug free, “selling” this price hike will be a much easier pill to swallow. A bit too soon, especially if completing everything as you said and releasing v1 at the end of the month actually happens. At that point it would have almost felt natural to say the early bird promotion was over. Just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Doobox](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/doobox/32/32373_2.png) [@Doobox](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Doobox)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/31 "2025-05-03T06:17:08Z")
> [@dan](#): > > So if you’ve been thinking about joining [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/), now’s the time to [lock in the current lower price](https://elementsapp.io/?utm_source=realmacsoftware-forum#buy-elements). Simple question… is this a true **grandfather clause**? Are early adopters guaranteed never to see a price increase… ever? ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/32 "2025-05-03T08:02:31Z")
> [@Doobox](#): > > Simple question… > is this a true **grandfather clause**? > Are early adopters guaranteed never to see a price increase… ever? Glad you asked! While no business can guarantee prices will _never_ change, I can tell you that we have **no plans to increase pricing**. And more importantly, anyone who signs up during this early access period will always be looked after. 😊 We genuinely appreciate all the support we’ve received so far, and we’re in this for the long haul. Our goal is to build a sustainable business that takes care of both our team and our customers for the next 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![Heroic\_Nonsense](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/heroic_nonsense/32/20666_2.png) [@Heroic\_Nonsense](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Heroic_Nonsense)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/33 "2025-05-03T10:14:29Z")
I don’t know about RWClassic being more user friendly. Sure, [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) comes with a learning curve, especially if you didn’t use Stacks before on RWClassic. But getting your site the way YOU want it to look, is no small feat in RWClassic, and is a lot easier in [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/). If it’s themes you’re referring to, I have a feeling ready-made [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) projects will replace themes, so the entry point for those that just want to fill in their stories in a ready-made layout will still be possible. Cheers, Erwin ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/34 "2025-05-03T10:17:17Z")
> [@logrunner](#): > > So you don’t need a Pro license to get web hooks now? No, we decided not to lock down components based on license, so **form webhooks are now available to everyone** 😊 > [@logrunner](#): > > Can I downgrade at the next renewal to the current (pre-June 1st increase) Plus Subscription rate? Absolutely, we hope to make this process available in-app at some point, but for now, just email support when you’re ready to make the change! > [@logrunner](#): > > I think [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) is good value (even at the new prices) when compared with the amount of money one had to spend for a _Rapid Weaver / Stacks / Framework / sundry stacks_ setup. It is also a lot simpler. Having used [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) for quite a while, I just don’t like working with the old setup now. 🙂 That’s very encouraging to hear, and it’s how we’ve felt for a while now. Once you start using [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/), there’s no going back to the old way 💪 ---
**Author:** ![808](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/43a26b/32.png) [@808](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/808)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/35 "2025-05-03T11:10:25Z")
Wow, as a software developer myself, I am pretty astonished at the petty gripes being generated by a few. Statements like “When it’s done, stable, and super bug free” screams how naive you already are. No software is ever “done or bug free” by the very nature of beast. I would like to see you message or email Adobe and get a response back in 24 hours -if ever -not just from a support person in India reading from a script, or a bot, but from the actual developer himself who listens/responds and incorporates most of the user’s wishes. Which by the way influences how long development takes and in the end gives the users a better product than originally planned when the price was first determined. So a $30 increase to new users for the most common license (Plus) is enough to generate outrage? From what I see, everyone here went in with eyes wide open and I for one appreciate how much time Dan put into the weekly updates, demos and replies in spite of the £millions he has made on [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) so far. But of course, Dan should have known precisely how long and costly it should have been from the beginning even knowing he would have to respond and incorporate the wishes of the very users who kept his company alive and got absolutely nothing in return. Well, nothing that is, except for the software they actually paid for… but still! But now, ‘In your head, in your head They are cryin’ (another Cranberries reference) ---
**Author:** ![PLM](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/plm/32/31094_2.png) [@PLM](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/PLM)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/36 "2025-05-04T10:32:19Z")
Is [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) good enough to publish websites now or are most users just testing it? ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/37 "2025-05-04T14:13:24Z")
Yes! We think [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) is more than ready for full-time use, and plenty of customers are publishing live websites with it (us included). ---
**Author:** ![iMac](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/imac/32/110_2.png) [@iMac](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/iMac)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/38 "2025-05-05T08:47:56Z")
As a long time RW user, I did not know what to do. Stay with RW classic, or give [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/) a try. I go for the last. It’s always fun to try something new. ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/39 "2025-05-05T17:37:14Z")
Exactly, I think you’ll love [Elements](https://elementsapp.io/). And if you do get stuck, just post here on the forum and we’ll help you out 🥰 ---
**Author:** ![jazzvibe](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/jazzvibe/32/13769_2.png) [@jazzvibe](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/jazzvibe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/40 "2025-05-06T02:50:23Z")
If I lock in the base price of $59 now does that allow an upgrade to the current plus price of $119 later? ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367/41 "2025-05-06T09:46:27Z")
No, it will only be for the plan you’re on when the price change happens. [Previous page](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rapidweaver-elements-pricing-update/47367.md?page=3)