# RW 8.5.1 doesn't start **URL:** \ **Category:** RapidWeaver Classic\ **Created:** [March 25, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923 "2020-03-25T13:16:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/1 "2020-03-25T13:16:16Z")
Good day, I have made fresh install of RW 8.5.1. RW doesn’t start as it just hangs, so i have to FORCE QUIT application. There is no plugins, addons installed - just RW. I am using macOS High sierra version 10.13.6. Please help. Thanks! KHM ---
**Author:** ![manofdogz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/manofdogz/32/26314_2.png) [@manofdogz](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/manofdogz)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/2 "2020-03-25T13:33:14Z")
Don’t know what the problem is but can confirm that 8.5.1 runs perfectly well on 10.13.16 in normal circumstances - I use this combination daily. ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/3 "2020-03-25T13:39:39Z")
I have version 10.13.6, not 10.13.16? ---
**Author:** ![manofdogz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/manofdogz/32/26314_2.png) [@manofdogz](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/manofdogz)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/4 "2020-03-25T13:56:35Z")
Apologies - typo on my part. I meant 10.13.6. Hi Sierra is getting quite dated now but should not cause any issue with RW 8.5.1. Have you tried the usual Mac fixes such as resetting the PRAM, checking hard drive etc? If so maybe try to re-install RW? ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/5 "2020-03-25T13:59:06Z")
Should PRAM be reseted? Regarding reinstall, i have tried everything - also downgrading with no luck. It is strange as RW doesn’t give no error that i could report? Is this normal? ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/6 "2020-03-25T14:38:48Z")
This doesn’t work, RW still hangs for no reason and with no error? ---
**Author:** ![dan](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/dan/32/28516_2.png) [@dan](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/dan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/7 "2020-03-25T14:45:05Z")
I’d suggest re-downloading RapidWeaver just incase it became corrupt. Also make sure RapidWeaver is in your Applications folder. Please let us know how you get on. ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/8 "2020-03-25T15:04:00Z")
I have tried all, still no luck. It just wont start and it hangs? And yes RW is in application folder. ---
**Author:** ![Fuellemann](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/fuellemann/32/22871_2.png) [@Fuellemann](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/Fuellemann)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/9 "2020-03-25T16:35:52Z")
Do you use LittleSnitch or similar apps that block outgoing internet traffic? ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/10 "2020-03-25T16:45:34Z")
No, i dont have any of those apps. This is happening on fresh install of MacOs and Rapidweaver 8.5.1. This is really frustrating as it just hangs on every run, it does not give any feedback whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![manofdogz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/manofdogz/32/26314_2.png) [@manofdogz](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/manofdogz)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/11 "2020-03-25T18:37:43Z")
Are you a new RW user or did you have a version installed previously? If the latter - did you fully delete the previous version? I’m thinking about duplicate library files / folders for example ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/12 "2020-03-25T18:50:22Z")
No, it is clean install. ---
**Author:** ![peppermint](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/peppermint/32/218_2.png) [@peppermint](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/peppermint)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/13 "2020-03-25T20:23:17Z")
Restart and try to login as an other user. ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/14 "2020-03-25T20:27:27Z")
No change, application is not responding when clicked. ---
**Author:** ![peppermint](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/peppermint/32/218_2.png) [@peppermint](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/peppermint)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/15 "2020-03-25T20:30:31Z")
Just guessing. Restart on safe mode? ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/16 "2020-03-25T20:31:42Z")
Something is clearly happening with application as it loops. Is there a way to check what is the problem? Maybe log of errors or something? ---
**Author:** ![manofdogz](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/manofdogz/32/26314_2.png) [@manofdogz](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/manofdogz)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/17 "2020-03-25T23:15:57Z")
There are logs when it crashes but this doesn’t sound like it’s even starting. Have you tried Utilities\>Disk Utility\> First Aid on your hard drive. Also, you could try repairing permissions - no longer available in Disk Utility but you can do in Terminal. Open Terminal - type: diskutil resetUserPermissions / `id -u` Always worth ensuring you have an up to date back up before doing anything in Terminal. ---
**Author:** ![curiouschuck](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/curiouschuck/32/14064_2.png) [@curiouschuck](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/curiouschuck)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/18 "2020-03-25T23:26:34Z")
Did you try starting in safe mode as suggested? > **[How to Use Safe Mode in macOS Catalina](https://eshop.macsales.com/blog/57580-how-to-use-safe-mode-in-macos-catalina/)** > > Safe Mode is a diagnostic tool built into macOS. It boots up your desktop or laptop without any other apps running, helping you to troubleshoot common problems. It will help eliminate other sources of problems. ---
**Author:** ![khm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f08c70/32.png) [@khm](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/khm)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/19 "2020-03-26T05:25:50Z")
OK, now it gives error regularly after several minutes of not Forcing Quit. Problem report is saved here [https://controlc.com/e40701dd](https://controlc.com/e40701dd) ---
**Author:** ![teefers](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex005/user_avatar/forums.realmacsoftware.com/teefers/32/8173_2.png) [@teefers](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/u/teefers)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923/20 "2020-03-26T13:20:23Z")
Something for RealMac support @dan @Aaron [Next page](https://forums.realmacsoftware.com/t/rw-8-5-1-doesnt-start/31923.md?page=2)