Basic Elements Form

Hi,

I have a simple Elements form with only name and email required.

After publishing, the error sheet comes up, but nothing descriptive, just the text I put in there. Clearly, I am missing something, not very good UX.

I have tried SSL and TLS, my username is not the same as the from address, as an email address is not what Elements Hosting assigned as my username.

Incidentally, I noticed that other posts I have placed here, I have not been notified of a response. Not sure if I missed turning something on.

Thanks.

Blessings,
–Mark

Mark put an image of your settings and @differentdan will be along and help he’s the man!

Thanks,

I have attached a picture without general edits since this is going out to the world.

This is a real head scratcher for me.

Blessings,
–Mark

You might want to talk to @differentdan about this, as Elements Hosting DOES NOT do email hosting, so you can’t be sending emails through your server. You would have to host your email separately and then use the credentials provided by the email host.

Of course!

Thanks so much for this reminder! I have been doing this for decades, and for the first time, I have to do things a bit differently!

Thanks for the help! Easy fix now! Althopugh the UX is a bit thin on that item.

Blessings,
–Mark

Hi @garageshop

So you got it working now?

You can always contact us via email from your Client Portal as well. :slightly_smiling_face:

Yes, thanks! With the reminder that Elements Hosting does not provide an STMP it was easy to point the form to the server at Fastmail, and it worked as expected.

I only wish the error return was more descriptive.

Thanks.

Blessings,
–Mark

I just have to add here that this is another reason for combined hosting for both website and email. There would be lots of other instances where this is helpful as it has been for me in the past such as with chilidog hosting / now exact hosting. Just think of how much more amazing the support would be versus companies, pointing fingers at each other… Hint hint!

I don’t think there would be a single customer complaint if it was offered. Just saying…

Chris a few years back 123-Reg and Go Daddy broke their Emil hosting away from websites part and started charging per email address. Thats why I moved to Chiilidog, however when exact hosting took over I asked TuCows where they going to split and was told eventually yes. I moved my hosting to Elements and my emails to Apple Mail with the help of @differentdan and I have never looked back. So much simpler for me.

I hear you, but either way the settings that were entered in the form per @garageshop’s attached screenshot were still not correct, even if we were hosting the email accounts, so he would have had issues with the form anyway until it was corrected.. :slightly_smiling_face:

Regardless of who is hosting the email, the form settings have to be entered exactly or there will be errors with form submissions. I don’t really feel it would be “easier” one way or the other tbh. :slightly_smiling_face:

I get it though, some people want us to do email hosting, it’s just the pros don’t outweigh the cons right now.

I can still support some third-party email providers, such as Fastmail, Apple Mail, or Zoho Mail. I’m not a fan of supporting Outlook/Microsoft though… :laughing:

Looking at it from the other side (potential customer), the cons currently outweigh the pros. I don’t want to be managing my Web presence (sites and mail) from two different entities. My business is already sprawling across many services, and it’s a pain point.

I completely understand where you’re coming from, and I agree that having everything under one roof is certainly more convenient. From a customer perspective, there is definitely an appeal to managing both your website and email with the same provider.

That said, we’ve deliberately chosen to keep web hosting and email hosting separate, and that’s a decision we’re confident in.

Email is a surprisingly complex service to operate well. Beyond simply storing mailboxes, there’s ongoing work around spam filtering, malware detection, outbound reputation management, blacklists, deliverability, authentication standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC), and protecting against compromised accounts that can suddenly start sending spam. Even well-intentioned customers can have their websites or devices compromised, and that can quickly affect the reputation of shared mail servers and impact the deliverability of every other customer using the service.

By focusing exclusively on web hosting, we can dedicate our resources to building the fastest, most reliable, and most secure hosting platform possible without introducing those additional risks. It also allows customers to choose an email provider whose entire business is built around email, rather than relying on it as an add-on service.

In practice, many businesses already separate these services by using providers such as Fastmail, Apple Mail, Zoho Mail, Google Workspace, or similar. While it does mean managing two services instead of one, it also means each service is handled by specialists in that area. If one service experiences an issue, it doesn’t automatically impact the other, which can actually improve resilience.

I appreciate that this approach isn’t the right fit for everyone, and I completely respect that some people prefer an all-in-one provider. Our goal, however, is to provide the best possible web hosting experience, and we believe keeping web hosting and email hosting as separate services is the best way to achieve that.