I’m still learning F6 but weirdly I find it easier to grasp than F1.
Maybe I’m a bit more experienced since way back then but I could never get F1 or get it to do what I needed it to do and ended up giving up on it.
With F6, although a little fiddly in places to get everything setup, I find it an easier and more logical way to work.
@joeworkman does your Dad use Foundation 6?
A few days ago I had to get back to an old website built with F1. Actually a simple change, I thought. Then I spent hours digging through settings of different stacks trying to find all instances. I found most of them, but I’m sure my client will find a few I missed. I didn’t have any fun doing this, because it’s a mindless job to keep making the same settings on hundreds of nested stacks. Simply frustrating, when you know that it could be quite simple. With F6 it would have been a few changes in the central swatches to do that. It may take a little time and effort as an experienced F1 user to build a new website in F6, but it’s definitely worth it. It would be unthinkable for me ever again to build a website with an old framework like Foundation 1, Foundery, Bootstrap or whatever else that hides all settings somewhere in the sidebar instead of managing them centrally. The new way that F6 now provides may be a little unfamiliar and more difficult at first, but once you’ve learned it, it’s much harder, almost impossible to go back to the old way.
I’m looking forward to that day.
I wonder how much experience you have with RW and if you just use the baked in themes rather than a framework?
I’d be happy to send you a link for a download of a very simple single page project if that would help.
Maybe you mean that you have used F6 but you can’t create the page the way you would like it?
I use RW since version 1. Back in the 90s I use to create websites with two apps
That’s how I begin to develope websites, then Rapidweaver arrived and it was (and still is the app of my dreams) is the only app I use (with Espresso) to build sites as of today.
When I buy Foundation 1 it was magical! Lots of websites I’ve been designing with it and today that’s my main framework to build them.
When F6 arrived I bought it thinking it will help me to improve the way I was building websites but the dev change the way so drastic that I needed to learn a different way to use it.
I just need a push with F6 or quit once and for all with it. Every time I want to build any page I try to use the same logic as with F1 and it doesn’t work at all. Even for something easy like drop a menu bar and then the stacks at bottom. Joe make it complicated now. I can’t drop a menu bar anymore! I need to set a couple of things before even use the menu bar and I’m old to start learning a new curve now.
I can screenshot a video for you on how I build a simple page on F1 and how different is with F6 so you have an idea of what I’m struggling with.
People said Elixir framework is easier and better so maybe I need to get that route.
Have you tried the RW Menu stack?
The layout stacks between v1 and v6 have not really changed all that much. The column sizing is identical.
Images are better than words. Here’s my short video explaining why I still use Foundation 1 having paid for Foundation 6 as well.
exactly
check this out: 2021_05_14_15_25_38.mp4 • Droplr
Albert (@Albertkinng),
I looked at your video and a couple of things I notice right away.
First, don’t use Foundation 6 R-to-L theme, unless you producing a site for right-to-left languages (Arabic, Hebrew, etc.). Use the regular Foundation 6 theme.
Next, if you haven’t downloaded the F6 templates do so now. F6 Topbar differs from the old F1 Topbar. It allows you to do a bunch more than the old one did. With that flexibility comes a bit of learning.
In that template pack, you will find a template called RW Top Bar. Put that onto the page instead of the F6 top bar stack. Unpack the template and remove the text and you will have what works like the old F1 Topbar.
what? I believe that I just get the R to L theme, I never choose a theme to install, I just install the theme. Now I wonder what happened? did I bought the wrong one? Did my installation was bad since executed? where do I get that non- Left to right theme? thanks for noticing that out for me!
You can redownload the theme and templates along with other stuff here:
Foundation 6 Stack for RapidWeaver (weavers.space)
done. It didn’t change nothing, but is working tho
I installed the template add ons. Thsnks
how you unpack a template? I double click on it and is asking me to choose between partial and external. I’ve been using partial for stuff I don’t want to do again all over the page but I don’t know the external option. Again, non of these things I stumble with F1, why all these processes have to be made for a top bar menu? I’m glad you show me how to get a similar result but if I don’t use that template I would have never be able to do it myself. 
Templates, externals, and partials are all part of stacks 4 and not unique to F6.
To unpack a template simply select it (single-click, not double) and hit the unpack button, next to the button you use to make a partial.
I agree with you that when you double-click on a template that unpack should be one of the options Stacks offers, but that’s a @isaiah things, not a Foundation 6 thing.
Topbar like most of F6 has a lot more options and flexibility than F1 did. This increase in power does require a bit of relearning how to do similar things that you did in F1.
Joe put together these templates along with a bunch of videos on how F6 works.
Yes, I didn’t meant that partials and externals were part of F6 sorry if I mislead that comment. I know more options are way better for us, but genuinely I think if you’re the same developer you should know best on how to keep your supporters walking the path with you. An iPhone user will know what to do on an iPhone 12 coming from an iPhone 4. iOS 14 has a lot of better options and improvements but users will not get lost using the product.
Back to F6 testing.
To do the same sample page I did in my video I download the theme version you recommended and the templates. I build the page with the top bar and all again but get stuck on the top bar again. I didn’t find a way to edit the menu at all.
Understanding the complexity of this new version I can imagine that your advice on unpack the template will let me have a an editable version to work with…. And I am not doing colors yet.
I’m not sure how you’ve jumped to this conclusion please re-read my post.
This thread is titled “Are you struggling to grasp Foundation 6?” This implies not only current users but people (like me) that haven’t used it yet but have questions.
This is the Realmac forum and not all of us use Foundation or the newer Foundation 6.
My comment was about the 2 hour length of the video.
Maybe you can explain how Foundation 6 “changes everything”?
Well, that isn’t my soundbite but for me F6 has completely changed the way I produce websites and has increased my understanding of the way that css controls the styling of a page. Not only am I starting with a blank ‘piece of paper’ in much the same way as many of the frameworks, but now I can easily style anything I want the way I want as I now understand what is going on behind the scenes.
Using F6 has given me the knowledge to help others whatever theme or framework they use as the first thing I do is open the site in a browser and inspect the element in the browser developer panel. Before I started using F6 the developer panel was just a mass of code and other stuff I just didn’t understand.
So, my personal knowledge is now vastly improved and I’m learning more every time I delve into the working of a site. Of course, I’m still learning even after 40 years of hobby computing and 20 years or so of web design. I enjoy the challenge of learning new skills and also the challenge of helping others if I can. Even last night on the Weavers Space Hangout I had another lightbulb moment when a question was asked about markdown styling and text colours. So simple when Joe demonstrates and then shows us the code to explain just what is happening.
As for Joe’s longer recorded live streams and longer videos, I dip into these as I need to. If I just want to refresh a specific area of my knowledge, I watch one of the many short 5 minute videos. I still can’t get over how much support, often one-to-one in the hangouts, he provides for free.
I know different people learn in different ways and that there are great developers out there that provide excellent email support, but for me to ask a developer in a video conference ‘How the heck do I do this’ and to be shown there and then - well, that changes everything for me 