Is there an alternative WYSIWYG editor for RapidWeaver?

Thank you for your helpful response, Will. You do at least understand the issue I’m trying to get at here.

This all came about because I just bought Poster to try and improve the blogging system - because to my absolute horror, I find I’m still using the same little editor. A blogging system is about writing, for heaven’s sake! All the other aspects - social media buttons, pretty pictures, tagging, etc etc - are just shiny add-ons for the words!

So why would you make it so difficult to write the words??

So now I realise that regardless of what Stacks I buy to deliver content, I’m still going to be using that damn editor to WRITE it. Do I really have to use separate individual stacks to deliver content like headings, tables, horizontal rules?? REALLY??

Or write my content in a “proper” word processor and then transfer it across to RW for delivery?? (I mean, you do this to a certain extent anyway, yes; but not to the extent that people seem to be suggesting is required in RW).

If so, this is not a happy realisation … and maybe I’m not using the right program for me, after all. And that’s a costly realisation.


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The current editor feels like an afterthought, it really does. It opens in a tiny little box, it has limited functionality, the layout is bizarre and the interface isn’t like any other content editor on the planet. You get three different displays depending on whether you’re just looking at the text, editing it, or previewing the page in a browser. That’s just wrong.

It basically breaks all the rules that we, as Apple users, have internalised and seen spread to every other computer system out there.

I’d like to note that halfway sophisticated editors well pre-date Wordpress and other blogging tools, of course. I’m not a web designer, but I AM a content specialist, which means I get to play in dozens of flat-file and CMS-type web systems. Since the mid-90s, I’ve used everything from plaintext editors where I create and markup content in pure HTML, through to a recent slightly hideous contract where I got to learn Drupal in a hurry. It drove me insane with its apparent focus on extension while leaving behind core functionality, but I learnt to use AND manage the blasted thing (and the useless business supposedly delivering its functionality).

But even Drupal, for all its manifold faults, understands that the heart of a web designing program is a content editor. Its core editor is solid enough, and you can easily plug in something else if you so desire.

RW is like a nice combination of Dreamweaver (still my favourite web editor of all time, but too expensive these days) and a good CMS-based system.

But, like Drupal, it seems to forget that many web content/designer people deal in basic words and text, and are persnickity control freaks who need to drop into HTML to ensure everything is delivered JUST so. (And before you ask yes, I still say WordPerfect was a better writing tool than Word, because you could adjust the SGML precisely the way you wanted it, rather than the tool taking control of your writing the way Word does).

I don’t want to use blogging software like Wordpress for my website. Tried that, hated the result. It all looked the same. I mean, it was pretty, and easy to use, but the lack of imagination in the template creators was mind-blowing and, at heart, it’s STILL a blogging system, not a content one. I want a blog, but that’s not the core part of my site.

However, I wouldn’t mind some of the design principles that WP, Wix, etc embrace to come into the “hard” web systems like RW and Drupal. Even hard-core coders and geeks like things to look nice and be easy to use, otherwise we’d still be using Blackberries instead of iPhones.

I also don’t want to have to buy/source umpteen little Stacks to deliver independent parts of the written word. Why should I need a separate Stack just for headings, another for a horizontal rule, a third for tables?? That’s nuts.

So I want a nice, easy, manageable text/content editor that, yes, gives me both the functionality of a stripped-back word processor (more TextEdit or Page than MS Word) AND the ability to edit the markup to deliver precisely what I want. And I want that text editor to behave the same way regardless of where I’m using it - on a page, as a blog, etc etc.

It’s coming close to being a deal-breaker for me. Despite the time and money I’ve poured into RW, I am seriously contemplating moving to another program, because I have to keep buying things to try and improve how I handle the words. (What this program might be, I don’t know. It took me 3 months of research to settle on RW as it was. I might just have to grit my teeth and somehow justify the cost of Dreamweaver, after all - or control my gag reflex and go to Typepad, Wordpress, or Wix).

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I can’t argue with anything you stated here, as I agree. You, in great detail, explained what you don’t want. Can you give us an example of what you like?

The Typepad default blog post editor is a good example of its kind. It’s a very basic, possibly seen as old-school, word processor-type editor, with all the functionality in ribbons and menus at the top.

When I edit text, the styling of it appears immediately.

Most importantly from my point of view, it provides the ability to view/edit the source code, either via the “HTML” button to the far right, or by clicking the “< >” button in the ribbon.

This is, to be honest, the sort of thing I was expecting when I bought the Poster stack.

Now, there will be those who prefer the block-style editors. That is, after all, the heart of what Stacks is about - giving that fine layout control. And that’s what Gutenberg (or Divi etc - noting I hated Divi, and it’s what drove me back to RW) in Wordpress do.

So their editors are prettier, and the buttons are fewer because many of the buttons are replaced by blocks instead. That’s fine - but even the core “Paragraph/text” blocks are WYSIWYG editors.

And there are hundreds of different editors in Wordpress, and probably even Typepad. So why is there only one available for Rapidweaver - and a pretty basic one, at that?

To compare, here’s the same content in RW. I’ve tried to replicate it as exactly as possible, even using a proper “Header” Stack at the top, and placing the text in a plain “Text” stack underneath, but not breaking up the content into further small blocks of header+content because that takes a hell of a lot longer to do.

And, in fact, it’s being temperamental now. The “On the on hand” headings are marked up as heading 3 - but that green highlight hasn’t even turned up, this time. I have no idea what’s been marked up, and what with. Maybe there’s a limit to how much text can go in each box. I don’t know.

As an aside, I hated Wordpress’ Divi because it made me feel like I was playing with Duplo blocks, when I was more accustomed to a Lego Mechanics level of control. It, like Stacks, is great for controlling layout - but layout is still only a way to display words, images, video and audio.

It seems odd that there’s umpteen different ways to lay out and tweak images, audio, and video; but only one, incredibly basic, way to play with the actual words.

If your interested in a CMS for content, TotalCms hipwig editor has that type of control

I was tossing up between TotalCMS and Poster, but just wasn’t quite ready to implement a full CMS just yet. It’s only a little website at the moment!

I would absolutely love to know what layout or granular level of control you were not able to accomplish in Divi, but could using Stacks.

Seriously, if you have the inclination to share, I’d be very interested to know.

Actually, Divi helped me understand Stacks a lot more. I didn’t implement Divi - that was the issue. I paid someone to set up templates for me on a Wordpress site, and they used Divi. I’d not really come across block editors before then - the work I’d done in CMSs etc hadn’t really exposed me to them - so Divi confused the living daylights out of me.

A template meant something entirely different to me than it did to them, clearly, and I had to spend too much time trying to understand the whole concept, then to create the templates I was after, and then to populate the templates the way I wanted.

It didn’t work, so I came back to the website I’d created two years prior by hand in RW, but without Stacks (because I couldn’t afford it at the time). By that time, Stacks made more sense to me - and next to the Dupal website I was working with at work, RW was EASY. And the Mountain theme worked for me, mostly.

Equating Divi to Stacks helps me understand quite a lot more things, to be honest. Maybe I’d be better at Divi now (if I still didn’t loathe Wordpress so much).

please have a look into Markdown stack or the free Scribe (for Markdown),
you’ll love it.

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Maybe. I’ve used Markdown for years … it allows for faster writing than HTML, I guess, but it’s hardly a WYSIWYG editor.

Come to think of it … the very editor one uses here in the forums is a perfectly nice example of its type! Why can’t we have THIS in RapidWeaver itself?? Editor on the left, preview on the right?

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I like using Dreamweaver to create my pages. I have an old version (CS5) running on my iMac which is also old (2007). I like having the HTML editor on the left side and the WYSIWYG editor on the right side in Dreamweaver. I wish that Rapidweaver had that setup in their editor.

Originally, I had built my website in Dreamweaver and was only using Rapidweaver for my blog pages. Then when Google pushed for mobile responsive designs, I started using one of the included responsive themes in Rapidweaver to convert my website. The theme that I picked was also Bootstrap friendly, so I learned how to use Bootstrap instead of buying Stacks and learning Stacks. I wish that Rapidweaver’s editor also had built in Bootstrap tools for editing.

I currently build my pages in Dreamweaver and copy over the HTML code into a Rapidweaver HTML page, so DW is my page editor and RW is my CMS and blog system. It can be a pain to go back and forth between the two programs, but it’s better than trying to use Rapidweaver’s text editor or hand code HTML entirely in Rapidweaver without good helper tools.

I hope that future versions of Rapidweaver get better editing tools.

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If I could afford Dreamweaver, I might still be using it … sadly, it’s out of my price range.

Seems I’m stuck with things as they currently are for the moment, unless I move to one of the CMSs, which rather seems overkill for such a little website as mine is.

Pity.

I used Dreamweaver for years but was never very happy with it. I got a free trial of the latest version but, like most Adobe software, it doesn’t seem to have improved much over the years. I far prefer Rapidweaver.

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I just found (or, rather, rediscovered) this thread, so my comment comes late, but I do agree with your complaints.

I could present here my own list of complaints, but rather, I will restrain my urge and just say that if you want any level of freedom with RapidWeaver, you have no choice, but abandon built-in page types and instead rely on Stacks plugin.

I would like to reiterate what @OmarKN said: try the free ‘Scribe’ markdown stack from BWD. You won’t need separate stacks for a header, a paragraph, a list, a horizontal line, etc. All of these writing elements, and more, can be created within this one stack – and with a nice styling.

Scribe is my most-used stack. Since you’ve used markdown for years, as you said, you should have no difficulty adopting Scribe as your main writing tool.

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I’d second the Markdown approach - really not much of a learning curve at all and BWD’s Scribe stack is excellent.

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Moreover, Scribe has a number of samples of Markdown in the stack itself, so it’s very easy to pick up.

Thing is … even if I go down the Markdown route, I’m still stuck with that stupid little pop-out window!

I ask again - why can’t we have this very editor+instant preview concept used in the Forums? It’s nice. It’s a good size. You can see what you’ve written. There’s enough space to write more than a couple of sentences and see them in context. I don’t have to open a dozen other programs just to create content; I can create straight into the publisher. It’s clean, neat, and quick.

Sigh. I guess I’ve just got the irrits because I don’t like my website, I clearly don’t have the skillset required to create what I want, and RW doesn’t have templates/content setups I want … a fairly straightforward (I thought) information+recipes+blog+shop website. I’m clearly going to have to bite the bullet and find someone to develop it for me, with all the annoyances THAT entails (ie $$ and trying to get my vision across to someone else).

For those requirements Squarespace is the right tool for you, not RapidWeaver… https://squarespace.com/

Nobody is born with any particular skillset (except for soiling diapers). To create a useful website you need a certain amount of learning and practice. Each piece of software is different, each needs getting used to. Giving up at the very beginning is not a particularly good attitude.

Wrong. There are myriads of themes and stacks (many of them are free of charge) that can be used for the kind of website you are talking about.

I think you are just looking for excuses, so that you don’t have to do it yourself…

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Ignore, the stack I mentioned is no longer available. My mistake…

Hi @bentshed, I like ur user name lol… and I know the frustration involved in giving your vision digital form. I think we have all been there… but giving someone else the job has its own frustrations too, and the joy on completion, … you’ll miss out on that.
From Bytes to Cakes, bits of cakes, Oh crumb’s… , I’m baked …
Keep going,
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