Question: Will you be upgrading to RW 7?

René,

With the greatest of respect, may I suggest that what you say here is harsh?

For most users I suspect that - after the initial difficulties upgrading add-ons (and hence projects, especially add-ons that were not supported in RW6) - it was a stable set of releases, and a joy to use. Those with problems, I have to believe, were in a very small minority!

Then, what appears to be imminent in 7 looks extremely useful and likely to match 80%+ of the wish lists of just as many users.

Shall we wait and see before assuming the… worst, please?

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@MacCrack It will not work Yosemite.

The upgrade from RW5 to RW6 was the real horror for me. I work with Macintosh since the MacPlus and never in my life I got trouble like this with upgrades. The actual RW6 Version still has bugs and it looks like RealMac is not able or willing to fix it - whatever you prefer.
Of course, I will upgrade to RW7, but as late as possible. In this case I don’t upgrade for RW7 features, but for the compatibility of Stacks or Themes like Foundation.

Mark,

It might be harsh, but it is based on my experience over the last years. Might be that others don´t realize whats going on. I was writing feature requests and I was willing to contribute and drive the product forward. Nothing happened.

What was the killer feature in RW6? What really helps to improve the workflow. The core is the same since ages. Without stacks this product would already be dead.

And sorry RW6 caused and still causes more problems than joy to me.

So I will be happy if RW7 will convince me of the opposite, but I do not believe in it anymore.

Regards
René

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That sucks big time.

Hi Brad,

essential is subjectice sure. I use RW since Version 2 and I have a good overview what features have been added between versions.

In RW6 I don´t see any essential feature. Let me give you a few examples:

Retina support added, Fullscreen --> nice but with that fixed sidebars hard to enjoy
Redesigned and improved UI --> looks just different but no improvement in workflow for me
New Addons manager --> It´s just an Addon Viewer and I cannot use it for anything
New Publishing Engine --> less stable than the older one

The only real improvements were Markdown and Sitewide code.

The “new” Media Browser does not have half of the features the old one had. This was i.e. a huge step backwards.

That is my reality. Improvements to the core functionality is needed and there have been plenty of feature requests about this in the old forum.

I´m not sure I want to participate in the Beta when feedback is constantly ignored.

Have an awesome day as well
René

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They talked about it a bit on the podcast. Essentially, it was a way of dealing with capacity issues of maintaining support for two separate operating systems (and knowing that a 3rd would be on it’s way in a few months). Given that the updates are free, the ability to update to El Capitan isn’t a hurdle for most users.

I know that probably doesn’t help you in your particular situation, but I thought the rationale made sense. Especially with a lot of the above comments referencing expectations of quality and stability, I think it’s good for Realmac to narrow the focus a bit and make sure that RW7 is top notch.

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What feature requests were you hoping for? (I’m not trying to instigate, I’m just curious. I wasn’t around the old forums very often).

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René,

I’m sorry that your experience has been less than ideal. I have no connection - other than as a very satisfied customer since RW3 - with RealMac. But I can’t help feeling that they would gladly address your concerns.

All I can suggest is that you wait for RW7 and see how others find it in terms of features and robustness. Then maybe see whether it’s been sufficiently well written (all the indications are that it has) for you to become enthusiastic about it once more.

In either case, Good Luck!

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I don´t remember all the feature requests from the old forum but maybe some points:

Resources

Posibility to drag complete Folders to Resources. —> add them as folders in resources

Drag resources to pages or any other place like Custom css/header/javascript should automatically insert the right syntax —> %resource(img1.jpg)%
Copy URL to clipboard should also copy this : %resource(img1.jpg)% and not this http://www.rene-zuch.ch/resources/pics/pic1.jpg . What sense does it make to copy the online URL if you have not yet published the page?
If a resource is added, RW should ask if it should copy the file to the project folder. If yes create a resources folder with the same name in the project folder.

Publishing / Export

More options to Publish / Export: All pages (complete) / Only pages / Only Resources
Option to exclude pages permanently from Publishing (Checkbox: exclude from Publish).
This is needed because you may want to upload some pictures as ressources and later on feed the content via FTP.

Text Handling

A lot of improvements I expect here:

  • Better options to format text (not the OSX standard tools and without using the menu) but something like I can handle text in Stacks. WYSIWYG

  • Autorecognition of php code

Pictures

  • Resize pictures by dragging the corners instead of guessing a scaling factor in an additonal popup
  • Arrange pictures and text in a visual way like in pages. HTML formatiing is unpredictable

And many more I don´t remember now.

René

Hi René,

Thanks for your candid feedback. I think the release notes for RapidWeaver 6 speak for themselves, I don’t know many apps/companies that have pushed out updates as consistently as we have for RapidWeaver 6. For a small team, we work really, really hard (I’m replying to this thread very late in the evening as just one example).

You can view all the release notes for RapidWeaver here: http://realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/releasenotes

We’re always listening to our customers, and have added many things to RapidWeaver 6.x that have been a direct result of user feedback (same for 7). I care deeply about RapidWeaver. We’ve been supporting it for 10+ years, and everyone at Realmac is doing their best. I’m sorry you feel that’s not enough.

We’re going to continue to update RapidWeaver and do our best to serve our customers.

If you have any feature request please send them to dan@realmacsoftware.com

Thanks,
Dan

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Hi Dan,

first of all Email with Feature Requests sent.

I heard this again and again from Nik and I stopped believing it.

I know the release notes of RW6 and if you count the lines that start with “Fixed a problem” it definately speaks for itself.

There was a lot of critical feedback in the “old” forum, that you rather completely deleted by creating a new forum. Surprizingly this time it was not possible to migrate the old topics, as it was with every forum upgrade in the past.

When you released RW6 and i.e a lot of people complained about the fixed width of the Page inspector. It was said it will be improved. I just tried with the latest version and it´s not changed at all. This is just one example that you do not listen to your customers and there are way more.

I believe that you feel completely different about RW6 but I also know a lot of long time customers that feel like I do.

I really hope that RW7 will deliver some features that really imrove the workflow and I will for sure try it, but somehow my enthusiasm is not the same as it was when I started using RW.

Regards
René

I think you’re going to have to have El Capitan. Doesn’t look like RapidWeaver 7 will work with Yosemite

I would upgrade to RW7, but I don’t want to change to El Capitan.

Actually this is not true. Before the last instance of the forums, they had kept the older forums up for quite some time, I remember many people having links in their signatures linking to the old forums with post counts (like that matters), but they did keep that one up for a very long time after they switched. Which was a little confusing as to why the old forums before this one were not kept, but hey, it happens. What can you do about it, other than complain…

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There was a lot of useful stuff on the old forum but the switch was absoluely essential because we were being swamped by spam. Once the new forum was up and running, there was, as @zeebe says, quite a long period before the old one was deleted.

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Thanks René

Ice and snow today hard to take Harley for a ride lol

You can detach the property inspector if you have stacks and a stacks page selected (It does have minimum width but adjustable height wise).

Pages pane is adjustable

Stacks pane is detachable and adjustable.

It can allow you to set favourites for Plugins (Page Types), Themes (I have a group called responsive) which are viewable in the RW menu items as appropriate. It’s a fast way for me to check versions, search, etc for plugins/stacks and even delete them if no longer used.

Click the resource, press and hold Option whilst clicking the clipboard icon and the resource macro is copied not he URL

Agreed

Agreed

RW 6+ has smart publishing, only publishes changed files and the changed files references.

You can do this on a page basis, mark it as draft and remove from navigation… no more publishing of page or associated content unless used elsewhere in the site

Pretty sure 6.3.8 does this a lot better but improvements can always be made sure…

Not sure what you’re saying here… stacks are not typically wysiwyg… that would be a YourHead issue not a RW issue imho unless I am understanding incorrectly which is entirely possible…

I dunno… I can do this on a styled page type or a markdown page… so maybe your application is different?

Ewww… I would fight that tooth and nail, I don’t want RapidWeaver generating crap code to try to figure out exactly where something is desired to be, I much prefer the way it is now personally.

Love your input, thanks :slight_smile:

Brad

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We are quite offtopic here, but thanks for your time.

About Publishing:

Smart Publishing is never smart enough. I would find it useful decide what should be published or not.

The option you mentioned to take a page out of the navigation is not what I need. Let me explain this more detailed. I created a gallery that contains initial pictures (Resources). As I´m a lazy guy I wrote some php code and the galleries parse corresponding folders on my Server to detect Pictures. So with RW I download these pages once (they will be used in navigation) and then I can upload any set of pics via FTP and these pics will be used automatically. So I want to exclude these pages from publishing but keep them in the navigation. I see more usecases than this.

Text Handling

It´s a petty that my post in the old forum about this is lost. Besically I don´t like that RW never made any improvements to this. I´d like to be more efficient when enterning text. One example: I use the menu item bigger / smaller to adjust the size of the text. And now I want to use the exact same size on another page. Here it would be useful to have templates for texts that contain size, font etc. Now you´ll probably say this has to be done with css today and I agree. But then RW could also help me with that and i.e. tell me like firebug wich CSS is used on a certain place and give me the possibilty to add custom css directly on the page without having to find the right corresponding css by myself etc. Something like an css Assistant. Or a dropdown where it offers me all css formating that is included in the theme. That would also help a lot.

HTML formating I´d like to do visually and not by trial and error with the preview. All formating options in RW are completely outdated and were never touched since the early versions.

Resize pics

The only way for me is to double click on the pic. I just checked on a styled page and there is no posibility for me to drag a pic on the corner to resize it.

Thanks once again for your time. As it is offtopic here maybe somebody can move this to the right section.

Regards
René

PS: 11 °C and nice spring weather here in Switzerland, but I have just a bicycle :frowning:.

For my main site, I continue to use RW5 and Snow Leopard, both of which are stable.
I’m not interested in changing the site theme or including different stacks, etc. to those I use already.

For my three new sites, I’m using RW6 on a new iMac (El Capitan). Usually I publish a site and work on the content live but this time I’m writing the content first, so I’ve no idea whether the publishing feature will work (I’ve tested the connection and that’s okay.)

I don’t know why the upgrade to RW6 was free, perhaps because RW is unstable and we unsuspecting were being used as guinea pigs? (My regular developer/supplier of RW stuff intimated that RW6 was nothing special and frankly I now agree. Tinkering with the look of the user interface at the expense of stability.) The last straw was RW6 failure to save and save as (which lost me a few hours work) so to be on the safe side I’m now compiling content in a different app for copy and paste in due course. I’ve since read from search of this forum and discovered that save and/or save as work when actioned from edit mode rather than preview (or vice versa, I can’t remember which.)

Will I upgrade to RW7?. The proposed cost is alright so not a matter of price. My buying criteria depends upon whether the new features are of any benefit to me for the style of sites I have, also whether other users find it more stable than RW6.

The main reason for not upgrading Snow Leopard was a hardware peripheral compatibility issue that has been resolved. But although my printer/copier/canner (A3, duplex, laser) can now run on El Capitan, I like using my other apps on Snow Leopard and any websites that suggest my browser should be updated are either ignored or visited via Firefox.

There comes a time when software developers run out of ideas so to keep their businesses going simply play around with what is otherwise a solid product by adding gimmicks (features) that for the most part are nothing to write home about, and not worth the cost of the upgrade. New customers don’t know any different - they buy the latest version - but regular customers with older versions do. So, whenever that time arrives for the developers and it becomes obvious from the offerings, their regular customers either stick with what works or skip a few upgrades until it gets to the stage at which the latest version does actually offer far more benefits to the customer.

Realmac have several products which rather suggests, at least to me, that it has never made consistently as much money out of Rapidweaver as it hoped, so has had to supplement its revenue from unrelated products, the latest wheeze being Typed which by all accounts is not as successful as hoped. Since RW’s target market for customers seems to be people wanting to have a website for personal or family use. also micro-businesses, I dread to think that the price of the RW7 upgrade will include Typed, because in my view its interface is amateurish and unsuited for a professional services website, such as mine, where content is serious and prospective customers are affluent enough to avoid using the youngster greeting ‘hi’. I don’t know why the RW founders have allowed a host of developers to latch on - frankly I think it’s good that they have done, because without the range of different themes and add-ons, RW would be nothing special - but I should’ve thought the way forward, assuming Realmac want to grow the business, would either be to come to some financial arrangement with third party developers* so that RW gets a percentage of each sale, or redesign RW so that it comes equipped with stacks or equivalent, so that the cost of building a more than basic website doesn’t add up disproportionately. Which brings me to my last comment on this post: has anyone else noticed how many USA developers have increased the cost of their themes, and adds on, etc. What used to be about $10-15 has rocketed to $29. The phrase ‘rip-off’ springs to mind.

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RW6 was not a free upgrade - I did pay for it…

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Thank you, you’re right, I’d forgotten I’d paid £29.99.

In which case I should’ve written:

I don’t know why the upgrade to RW6 was so cheap…